http://tidbits.com/ Apple Mail in Mountain Lion uses a different internal logic to determine which From account new messages and replies should use. The undocumented and seemingly irrational changes have left users angry and confused. en-us Copyright 2012 TidBITS Publishing Inc. Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:00:00 EDT Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:00:00 EDT editors@tidbits.com (TidBITS Editors) editors@tidbits.com (TidBITS Editors) http://tidbits.com/images/tb_logo_152x55.png http://tidbits.com/ 55 152 TidBITS badge http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15526 Fri, 31 Aug 2012 18:30:39 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15526
IMHO this is a bug, since nobody can figure out a logical reason for this non-deterministic behavior.

I also left feedback and encourage others to do so.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15456 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:55:52 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15456 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15455 Fri, 24 Aug 2012 04:25:36 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15455
How did Mail perform before Mountain Lion if there was no explicit email address it could match to your accounts? Would it just guess?

Sounds to me like they improved the feature by taking away the guess work for situations like these and made it more reliable and predictable.

I think the only logical thing Mail.app can do is reply from the address that the account is sitting in. That makes a whole lot of sense to me.

I admit, I don't have a On My Mac local account and I reply from the account I was addressed. I don't understand why some people are moving messages to a local folder. Mail works great without a network connection for me. It caches all of my messages so I can see them when I'm not connected]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15450 Thu, 23 Aug 2012 12:09:10 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15450 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15392 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:56:47 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15392 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15391 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 21:31:04 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15391 Just look.

Sure it would be nice if you didn't have to think, but who would be blamed if something went wrong?

This way the onus is on the user to ensure they get it right. No doubt it will improve over time, but the user should always be involved in the decision making.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15390 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:54:21 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15390 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15389 Thu, 16 Aug 2012 20:52:12 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15389
If you are in an account, mail is sent from that account.

When did it stop being the users fault that they cannot figure out which mail account they are in? It's not that hard.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15381 Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:51:46 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15381 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15371 Wed, 15 Aug 2012 06:00:02 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15371 If I go to another app while I am composing in Mail, when I return to the email I was working on the cursor has vanished. I then have to click in the message area of another blank email to get the cursor to return. I keep a shrunk down blank email always open now for this purpose. Everyone I know has this bug in their Mail and there's more on it here...
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4156726?start=0&tstart=0
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It won't allow you to put a from address that you'ven't said belongs to you. The opposite is fraught with huge huge problems.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15367 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 21:30:03 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15367
Email Address: user@me.com, user@mac.com, user@icloud.com

In Preferences => Accounts => Account information.

I haven't noticed the other "on My Mac" related issue because none of my email is stored locally, it is all in server side IMAP folder.
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I just spent a good long time on the phone with a senior-level support specialist at Apple who was immensely helpful and determined to work with me to find the cause. I let him view my screen and I also sent him a big dump of my configuration files, which he's forwarding to the engineers in the hopes that they can find a solution. BTW, i also directed him to this article, so with any luck Joe's well-written description of the issues and the testimony of all you good people will be included in Apple's considerations.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15354 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 21:35:03 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15354 http://tinyurl.com/cnyeomh

I'm one of those 45%, but because I do anticipate eventually moving beyond Rosetta I've lately been trying to come to terms with Mail app. It's not been easy, and especially not after 16 years with Eudora, during which I've evolved a fairly complex and perfectly reliable arrangement which includes six accounts, over 100 mailboxes, and well over 200 filters.

Aside from Joe Kissell's TCo books on the subject (thank you, Joe!), the most helpful resource I've found is Indev software's MailTags, which adds to Mail app at least a few of Eudora's most essential organizational features.

Also encouraging is that MailTags (like it's associate app, MailActOn) is OS X 10.8-compatible, even as more than a few old-hand developers are struggling with Apple's increasingly restrictive "sandbox" policies.

So until this I was feeling like I might be making some headway, but now? Looks like yet another reason to be pleased to have spent bits of the past several years evolving an alternate environment in Gmail and Mailplane.

Fact is, I now mostly prefer Gmail's tag-and-search concept, for many of the same reasons outlined in Adam's excellent 4-part series on Zen and the Art of Gmail http://db.tidbits.com/article/12036, so I'm interested in Mail app really only because I spend several months each year on a connection so slow that any web-based interface becomes tedious.

From that perspective, my favorite parts of Mail app are its threaded messages and MailTags-enhanced smart mailboxes, and by combining those features I've come up with a customized variant of Mail app that works quite well. It's not Eudora, but it's pretty to look at and does do at least a couple of things -- notably Unicode and HTML -- that Eudora never quite understood.

So my coming to terms project has been coming along, but this Mail app reply-from thing is a broadside to every common-sense perspective I can imagine. One can only hope it's an unintentional bug that will be quickly remedied. I'm not holding my breath, but will join those sending feedback to Apple.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15352 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:43:33 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15352 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15351 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 20:42:02 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15351 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15349 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 19:06:47 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15349 Still going strong after about 20 years- can use IMAP or POP- and have virtually zilch problems even when using multiple mail addresses which are clearly displayed and easiloy changed from default and always trigger to return to sender plus return recipts

OH how I wish a GOOD update were available with same features
]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15336 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:37:42 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15336 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15335 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 16:36:10 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15335 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15333 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 15:23:27 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15333
APPLE GOT THIS WRONG in Mountain Lion.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15331 Sat, 11 Aug 2012 12:36:32 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15331
Does anyone else hate that the flagged mailbox is now permanently fixed near the top of Mail & that it can't be hidden as much as I do? I positively loathe it.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15309 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 21:22:19 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15309
All my mailboxes are local to my Mac, so as has been said, perhaps it's something to do with local/server mailbox mixes.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15308 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:22:02 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15308 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15295 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 14:16:12 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15295 This is where I am experiencing the Reply issues that Joe had discussed.

If, in the sidebar of Inboxes in Mail, I can force the reply to come from a specific email address by pushing that Inbox to the top of the list. But not all my replies to discussion groups (or associates) should come from the same email address.

So for now I will carefully look at the From address when creating a Reply. Sure hope that Apple fixes this in 10.8.1

Jerry Naples MUG]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15291 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 13:08:12 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15291 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15290 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:43:57 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15290 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15289 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 12:35:42 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15289 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15288 Thu, 09 Aug 2012 10:20:31 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15288
I've reported two bugs to apple (one for sending from "ON MY MAC" folder, and a separate one for creating a new message with the "uber-inbox" selected). They've already closed one of those as a duplicate, so I'm sure they are aware of these problems, and all indications are that they do not consider this a "feature".]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15286 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 21:50:01 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15286 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13189?rss#comments_15284 Wed, 08 Aug 2012 18:19:01 EDT http://tidbits.com/article/13189#comments_15284
As I say, probably worth not much...]]>