http://tidbits.com/ The big news in OS X 10.8.2 is that, by default, Save As now works the way you expect. en-us Copyright 2012 TidBITS Publishing Inc. Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:00:00 EST Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:00:00 EST editors@tidbits.com (TidBITS Editors) editors@tidbits.com (TidBITS Editors) http://tidbits.com/images/tb_logo_152x55.png http://tidbits.com/ 55 152 TidBITS badge http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_16562 Sat, 17 Nov 2012 06:04:59 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_16562
Couldn't agree more!]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_16261 Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:58:50 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_16261
One thing that I find a bit disconcerting, perhaps since I am not sure if this model distinguishes between explicit save and autosave versions, is this -

1) If this document versioning actually uses the Time Machine model (ie. hourly for 24 hours, daily for week, weekly for a month and so on), then isn't it possible that opening your document many times, editing, but not saving it, could conceivably cause you to lose one of your explicitly saved versions or your original version since it could be culled from the versioning repository?

2) Does anyone know if the explicit saves and autosaves are treated differently during the culling from 24 hour versions to monthly versions and so on?

3) Has Apple clearly explained how the versioning and culling decisions are made?

Thanks]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_16060 Mon, 08 Oct 2012 12:51:14 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_16060 First, I get from your explanation that Save As renames the doc I'm seeing and also keeps a copy of the old one. But "keep changes in original doc" alone REALLY doesn't indicate *which* changes (e.g. changes made since last Cmd-S) are retained in the old doc. So when I open the one I'm not currently looking at (which now can be described as both a copy AND the original doc) it'll have what? Ok, it'll have everything up until the last Cmd-S. Wait, no, it'll have everything since the last time I opened the doc. Whoa. But did my opening the app with the Resume feature having brought into view the doc I worked on yesterday actually "open" it or just "resume"??
Bottom line, this is all *needlessly* confusing. Save As should behave either:
A] as it did for decades prior to Lion, or
B] it should bring up the two (old & newly created) docs side-by-side — with Undo & Redo infinitely enabled on each.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_16038 Sun, 07 Oct 2012 10:56:24 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_16038 You're providing a great service to the community on this Save As issue. In your last comment suggesting going back to Snow Leopard, I'm in that situation with several of our family's 9 Mac's. The quandary for these older Intel Macs is that you must go at least Lion to get iCloud functionality. Going back to SL means giving up iCloud.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15755 Wed, 03 Oct 2012 19:11:59 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15755 http://tidbits.com/article/13187]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15896 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 11:33:28 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15896 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15891 Mon, 01 Oct 2012 05:18:18 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15891 My 2008 Macbook can upgrade no further than Lion, which I have had to install to get upgrades to Apps that I need.
Three different op systems in major use: ML/L/SL, all with different Save As behaviour!
Definitely not what I have been used to from Apple over past 20 years.
But when I upgrade machine (soon) to go to ML, at least this will not be an issue.
Oh! My Macbook will go to my kids .... I still have to deal with this :-(]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15838 Wed, 26 Sep 2012 15:46:38 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15838 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15830 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:42:38 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15830 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15829 Tue, 25 Sep 2012 12:33:55 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15829
Bizarre]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15817 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:05:48 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15817 http://arstechnica.com/apple/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7/14/]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15816 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 22:00:16 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15816 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15813 Mon, 24 Sep 2012 19:47:26 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15813 Doesn't it bloat after some time?]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15807 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 18:52:08 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15807
I'm sure you're aware that PowerPC-only applications and plug-ins won't work in Lion and Mountain Lion: http://tidbits.com/article/12156]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15802 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 15:31:01 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15802
Now I feel comfortable upgrading (once I re-check that all my software is ML-compatible.) Thanks!]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15797 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 09:14:26 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15797 http://onpoint.wbur.org/2012/09/21/week-in-the-news-214.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15795 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:06:50 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15795 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15793 Sun, 23 Sep 2012 08:02:54 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15793 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15792 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 19:25:59 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15792 Once I unchecked it it has remained unchecked on all subsequent save as, even with new documents.

And the same behaviour using Pages. First time you Save As... the option is checked, uncheck it and it remains unchecked. Presumably if you check it again it will remain checked for all subsequent Save As... operations.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15789 Sat, 22 Sep 2012 10:44:50 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15789 ]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15783 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 14:09:12 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15783
I think the functions needed are:
make a copy of the file ( with a new name/ location) - but do not open it.

and

rename this file (and keep editing it)

Those two (plus make a save, which we do not need now) I think cover the functionality more simply and more clearly.

The duplicate s almost this…

The only program I ever used with 'save a copy of this file' was Notepad++ on windows.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15782 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 12:15:43 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15782 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15777 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 04:27:26 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15777
Here's the link:

http://www.tuaw.com/2012/07/29/get-save-as-back-on-mountain-lions-file-menu-easily-and-without/]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15776 Fri, 21 Sep 2012 04:19:15 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15776 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15773 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 22:04:59 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15773 http://tidbits.com/article/13187. Save As appears when you hold Option and choose from the File menu, replacing Duplicate.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15772 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:30:31 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15772 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15770 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 21:00:42 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15770
Or do I totally misunderstand the word "autosave" and it doesn't really save while it's open, only when I close?

Yes, I'm still using Snow Leopard. ;-) Thanks.]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15767 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:46:30 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15767
What am I doing wrong?]]> http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15766 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:45:42 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15766 http://db.tidbits.com/article/13284?rss#comments_15764 Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:09:42 EST http://tidbits.com/article/13284#comments_15764