Thanks, Apple, for once again leaping ahead and leaving your loyal users behind! No optical drive? So now everything comes via the internet? At least they didn't drop all the video options too!
Interesting - the only software I can think of that I've installed from disc in the last few years is:
Mac OS X
Apple Remote Desktop
Adobe Creative Suite
The first four are all available through the Mac App Store now, and while Office and CS5 are not, they're also the sort of thing you only install once, so the CD/DVD Sharing from another Mac would be sufficient if you have another Mac.
I was expecting people to be more troubled by the lack of optical drive for playing DVDs and ripping CDs, since some like the Mac mini as a home media server.
Can't share from another Mac if Mini's your only Mac. Who's making these crazy decisions at Apple????
I don't like the Mac App Store. I like being able to download software from developers. I do it often. However I expect to download the installer that I can save, maybe to a backup drive, maybe to my DVD collection--my choice. Apple is in a fantasy world if they really thing it's a good idea to install directly from the Internet without some glitch [there's always one here] and not have a backup copy. Where's the broadband? Where's MY copy?
Mac App Store = Bad Idea [as it is]. Mac Mini = pointless. Too bad. They took a pretty good computer and ruined it. They took a bad idea [installing from the Internet] and made it part of their business model. Where's the free broadband to make it work [in a broken bad-idea way]? I don't see Apple doing anything about that. GOOGLE! Please come to here and install your superfast broadband like in Kansas City!
I was considering replacing my Intel iMac with a Mac Mini, but not this one. Why have a "Mini" AND a pile of essential peripherals that they left out [without reducing the price--and charging a premium for the superdrive]? What were they thinking? Certainly not about long time Mac users.
Faster processor, better video, Thunderbolt, ***YAWN***. Mini is a real loser. They'll probably sell a lot to people who don't really need computers. My new HP is looking better every day. Now I'd like to run OS X [snow] Leopard on it!
Actually, they did reduce the price by $100 (the previous low end Mac mini was $699, and it's now $599) so even if you buy the MacBook Air SuperDrive for $79, you come out ahead. I should have mentioned that - just lost track in the crunch of the Lion release the same day.
The Mac mini has never included a keyboard, mouse, or monitor - that's sort of the point of it, since many people already have those things and prefer not to pay for new ones that will just gather dust in a closet.
My son's Intel Mac Mini Core 2 Duo was $599 retail, including a superdrive. At that price it was already $100 more than a somewhat comparable PC that included monitor, keyboard and mouse, and you could open and upgrade or repair, slots and all. He bought an HP monitor with the same Philips S-IPS panel and specs as the Apple Cinema display for $700 less, and he already had keyboard, mouse.
Did he REALLY have to pay that much of a premium simply to be able to use OS X instead of Windows? I like OS X--used it since long before it was released, but am losing patience with Apple's disregard for creative professionals in small shops, especially since they discontinued the mid-range towers. I really thought I'd like the Mini, but not this one.
The previous low end model was $699; before that, the low end model was $599. It's unusual for Apple to change prices, but in this case they did, and it's now back to $599.http://tidbits.com/article/11355
This really isn't the context to debate whether or not Apple is justified in charging more than PCs - they always have, and they probably always will. It's always up to each individual person to decide whether using Mac OS X and Mac applications provides enough of a productivity boost to warrant the extra cost. I think it's safe to say that most people reading TidBITS believe the productivity gain is worth the extra money, since anyone who doesn't believe that should be using Windows.
This computer is a waste of money.
It doesn't even have an optical drive.
What is it good for? Hey for $99 you can buy the apple tuner. Why are they keeping this product.
The Mac mini is a computer, whereas the Apple TV is just for streaming digital video to a TV screen and doesn't even have any local storage. So the two are comparable only in the sense that both can be used for home media purposes, and without an optical drive, the Mac mini is more suited toward streaming media as well. I do agree that the Mac mini has gone backwards in the home media space, since it seems clear you'd want an optical drive for that, and probably (for optimal compatibility), a Blu-ray drive.
Well, this is fascinating. Apple says that the Mac mini is limited to 8 GB from the Apple Store, but Other World Computing is now advertising 12 GB and 16 GB RAM upgrades for the Mac mini. That said, they are wildly expensive (more than the Mac mini itself).http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_Mac_mini/DDR3_1333
While one of the key attractions of the mini is having essential features in one small and aesthetically pleasing package. This is especially true for HTPC (home theatre) applications. However, I've had a several models of mini now and each one has required a optical drive replacement (thankfully most under warranty). You now have the option of getting whatever external optical drive you wish, albeit at the cost of a USB port and perhaps another powerpoint. And yes, you loose that aesthetic benefit.
Hmmm, perhaps I will be seriously thinking about not replacing my current mini with the latest mini when the time comes (especially as my current one has five USB ports, with all used)....
You wrote 2.3 GHz Mac mini has "a 500 MB 5400-rpm hard drive" -- hmm... that's about the same size as the internal hard disk of Mac IIci of 20 years ago...
Doh! Too many MBs and GBs and TBs these days... :-) Fixed.
Two models rather than one with lots of options: lots of options would work for online ordering, but not for stocking in Apple and other physical stores.
It's not clear to me that it is necessary that the Apple Online Store match the configurations offered in the Apple retail stores. If they're going to do configurations at all, it would seem that a single base unit (in a few common configurations that could be easily modified) would be easier all around.
Apple's recent decisions vis-a-vis Mac OS and the Mac Mini lead me to suspect that after almost 30 years of using Apple computers, my next one will probably be a PC. It is obvious that Apple's intent is to use any revenue profit from Mac and Mac OS sales to support iOS and iDevices before they discontinue Macs and Mac OS. This is the exact same track they followed with the profitable Apple II line supporting the hemorrhaging Mac line in the 1980s. The only difference is that both Mac OS and iOS products are profitable.
What was the last Mac hardware & OS that has the following: FireWire ports, Optical drive, support for Rosetta and Classic? I may stock up on used ones.
We die-hards need those things, but most users do not, so it is not that strange that Apple dropped them, no matter how irritating that is to us. And I do find it irritating.
I still have an external floppy drive in case I need something of an old floppy disk.
That's what I keep my PowerBook G3 WallStreet around for. :-)
This seems like an extreme position to me. Along with many other reasons (like roughly half of the company's revenue), Apple won't be discontinuing the Mac and Mac OS X, for the simple reason that you can't develop for iOS without it.
Ah, but since they are starting to convert Mac OS into a version of iOS by adding iOS features, I can see them creating a standalone iOS developer that will run under iOS. I expect that future iOS hardware will replace the mini as it has on the Apple TV, and at least the laptops as the iPad is doing now.
Meanwhile my iMac G5 ALS with Leopard works just fine for everything I need. I can't see needing a new Mac at all. The only thing is if future iPhones and iPads won't sync with it; then a cheap PC will suffice (unless Apple stops future iOS devices from syncing with Windows)
I foresee a remake of the 1984 commercial with Steve Jobs face upon the big screen; after all they added an iPod to the gal. ;)
Where is "the computer for the rest of us"? It surely isn't the new Mac Mini and Mac OS 10.7