Why TidBITS Will No Longer Post to X/Twitter or Facebook

You didn’t ask for it but I just donated to TidBITS just to support you.

Ten characters required by your system, but all I have to say is a four-letter word: Amen.

A sound, ethical, rational, and decent choice. Absolutely the right thing to do. Thank you.

Honestly the specific politics bother me less than the damage social media has done to society as a whole over the last decade+. If this is what it takes to finally break free of the strangehold, I’m all for it.

Politics aside, Musk and Zuckerberg have objectively destroyed any value Twitter and Facebook used to have.

I read this site via RSS and I am very grateful that you provide access via this highly underrated technology. It’s only underrated because it’s not as easily monetized via surveillance.

Adam, you had to do this. Everything TidBITS has stood for is contradicted by X and Facebook. This resolve of yours can only be wholeheartedly supported. Good work!

I don’t agree as in the current climate it appears political but it’s your publication and your choice. However, RSS is fine for me.

Precisely. We try to remind ourselves of this everyday.

Adam, it’s, definitely, a right step.
FWIW, I’ve deleted my Twitter account I had since 2009 after Musk has expressed his genuine essence via nazi salutation. As for Facebook, a few days ago it has denied my name based login and password (no phone or email!), and after digging around I was able to rectify this, but only for just a few more days. And then it denied me to enter again with a reasoning that my account actions are suspicious and I need to confirm that I am a human with a video. So long, I said. Luckily, there are still plenty of resources like Tidbits, where I can find everything I am interested in, and communicate to single minded people.

This long-term member supports you wholeheartedly.

" I need to confirm that I am a human with a video…" seems like a challenge for deepfake AI! What would Alan Turing have said?

As it happens I very occasionally log into Facebook and haven’t come across your obstacles (yet).

Exactly, just yet. As it happened out of the blue for me, because I did not post any comments at all, set aside offensive or harmful, just liked some occasional posts in nature related groups and whatnot.

I never had a TwiXXer account, and I gave up on Facebook late last year when it reached a threshold of intolerability. I have been following TidBITS via RSS for years, and just added it to my Bluesky account. Keep up the good work.

I deleted my Twitter account a while ago, and took the additional step of blocking Twitter in my hosts file so that I can never accidentally click through to it from another site.

Like others here, I deleted my Twitter account when Musk took over. I was considering it beforehand but that was the clincher for me. I still have a Facebook account but posting is a rarity. I fully support Adam’s move off Twitter and Facebook.

I’ve not really used RSS but would definitely consider it for TidBits. Can someone suggest a good reader for desktop?

@trilo , Succinctly, I can recommend Reeder Classic and Feedbin.
Backgroundly, I dabbled a bit in Twitter and maybe FB roughly early 2000s but didn’t find much use for them and deleted the accounts. Been ‘social-media-free’ since. Tried out Mastodon briefly after the Twitter takeover but I couldn’t see its value for my use case.
Not sure when I discovered it but RSS has been a very useful discovery for me, allowing me to consume more web content and faster without distractions. I used Google Reader back when it existed (am now nearly ‘google-free’), then exported the feeds to maybe NetNewsWire or maybe used Safari.
At some point I switched to Reeder (feed reader) and Feedbin (feed manager), which have been reliable (Reeder customer support very underwhelming in my experience) and I find valuable.
Reeder recently created a new version that consolidates more sources and something to do with AI, so I am sticking with their Reeder Classic version (am ‘ai-free’ afaik).
There was also a nice clean ‘read later’ App that allowed saving contents of webpages for offline reading or saving. It was sold and changed and I stopped using it.

As for Mac, old but gold, – NetNewWire. Also, try Vienna.
As for iOS, I am using feeed.

After having tried all of them in the last 20 years, I now use News Explorer for both macOS and iOS, since it is the only one implementing correctly offline caching, it syncs over iCloud (so no need of an external provider), and it has a splendid GUI.

I quit Twitter shortly after Musk took over and made it clear he was going to recreate it into his own image. For now BlueSky is the best fit for me, with the Deck Blue interface replacing Tweetdeck. I tried Mastodon, but that was too fractured, although I liked the thinking behind it. Couldn’t make it work, so I quit there too.
On BlueSky my old Twitter connections are appearing. Hopefully its defences remain strong enough to prevent destruction by corporate greed and politics.

Personally I agree…this looks political to me as well. But…his site and company…so his decision.

Going all the way back to before the Internet Starter Kit, it has been quite sobering being a “red” supporter in a seemingly ever-expanding sea of increasingly angry blue. Still, when it comes to protesting the actions and political bias of a FREE, private sector service, the only recourse is to quit using it. I did just that with Facebook in 2020, leaving behind hundreds of followers across the nation in the process.

I first joined Twitter to see what our president was saying without having to read between the lines of that reported by most other media. He was the ONLY person/thing I chose to follow. Within 5-10 minutes, I was followed by 5-10 voluptuous women. I posted my first “tweet” a couple years later.

After the change to X, it came as no surprise that ending the draconian “moderation” with a usually blatant bias quickly ended the slant and began a mass exodus. That it happened so quickly and overwhelmingly WAS a surprise. When a cogent, calm rebuttal is too often out of reach it is only natural for the displeased and frustrated to seek solace among fellow travelers. Bluesky should do well.

Thanks, Adam, for all you do.

It’s been clear for years now about the deleterious effects social media has had on our society, and it was always frustrating to hear others here recognize the serious harm yet claim that “they had to be on Facebook because everyone else was.” I would silently say to myself, “No, you really don’t need to use Facebook. You’ll get by just fine.”

I’m glad to see that TidBITS is abandoning X/Twitter and Facebook. I’m hoping it’s an indication that the tide is turning, and more people are recognizing that they don’t absolutely have to be on social media.

I’m following TidBITS on BlueSky now.

I’ve been limiting my Facebook use to the groups where I have specific interests in history and genealogy. Recently downloaded all my Facebook data with the intention to remove a lot of my profile information. Too late to prevent AI harvesting, but I won’t be contributing any more.

I’ve been off Facebook since 2016, the involvement in Brexit has been well covered and I saw how it brought out the worst in many regular folk. I like a wide range of opinion but certain things are without doubt. Facebook causes harm. That said, no other social media has matched it for groups of special interest, and its longevity is probably assured as a result.

I loved twitter and made many firm friends and contacts there but it too descended in a cesspit. Musk was the final straw rather than the catalyst of my disengagement.

I’ve said it before the only long term socially positive experience online has been fairly moderated fora, such as TidBITS. Bluesky and Foto have the sheen of the new and the relative quietness, so I’m checking them out for now.

Good man, Adam, for calling it like it is.

It is unfortunate that you continue to inject your politics into these posts.

I know I am in the minority here, but I see things much differently and have not encountered any issues with either Facebook or X/Twitter.

There is more than one way to look at things, and you get that from both of those platforms you decided to shun.

It’s up to you of course what you choose to do with your site, but I think it is a shame that you’ve allowed your political views to get in the way of an otherwise very informative technology site.

(To the grammar checker algorithm: yes it’s a complete sentence.)

Thanks for the steer to News Explorer, it’s excellent.

Well done Adam. I am pleased to see you do this. I haven’t logged into Facebook for quite some time. Twitter just sits there dormant. Mastodon is my social media platform of choice. I understand that is a tricky platform to use, but I have found some interesting people to follow. They are very targeted to my interests, Lego, Home Assistant, home solar and of course technology.

My wife enjoys the Facebook groups. It is a shame she has to login to Facebook to do this. It is shame others don’t move to Discourse.

I hope others will follow your lead.

As a supporter of free speech principles, I was appalled by the embrace of censorship and the rise of the “fact checking” industry in the last decade. I would rather see social media platforms focus on weeding out things like bots and sockpuppets rather than trying to figure out what’s true and what’s not, or what’s hate speech and what’s not. That’s a slippery slope to authoritarianism because it’s always politicized. Those who support policing of acceptable speech and deplatforming will someday find the shoe on the other foot.
That said, TidBITS is your baby and you’re perfectly free to do whatever you want. Since I pretty much avoid social media anyway, it won’t make any difference in my enjoyment of your publication.

I have come to realize the real “Y2K” was large corporate social media (for lack of a better term).

When a platform lacks true moderation, has no ethical policies and the absolute goal is to make as much money off the “audience” as possible regardless of the consequences, things quickly decline for everyone in all corners of the political spectrum.

Thank you again to Adam and the team for their hard work at TidBITS. We may not always agree, but that is OK.

Again…I mostly agree with you. I don’t do FB and have never really seen any point in it…and on Twitter it’s really easy to follow who you are interested in reading and ignoring the rest. If the people I want to hear from leave there…I will probably just stop reading their stuff as I’m mostly uninterested in managing a bunch of platforms

I also agree with Tommy’s comment on fairly moderated forums…but to be fair it isn’t always fairly moderated here IMO. I won’t provide any more specifics but that’s a long time member opinion not developed lightly.

Yes…social media has mostly gone down the toilet…and the misinformation on it knows no bounds of gender, race, politics, religion or an, or pretty much anything else…but Adam has made his decision and debating it when we have no input will just get posts deleted and/or the topic locked…so I recommend we all (including myself)move on to more appropriate tech related stuff.

Dude, you’re literally complaining about coming into someone else’s house and not being able to say whatever you want. Settle down.

For those of you accusing Adam of being ‘political’ in his decision to no longer use Facebook and X-Twitter to promote TidBits posts, your decision to continue using those companies and platforms is also political. Everything we do is political. It’s good to be thoughtful about the platforms and services we support by using.

It’s not politics, it’s morals. Adam’s made a personal choice and should be applauded for following his moral compass rather than the current trend.

In fact he said it quite clearly in the statement

“I encourage you to align your actions with your values in a way that feels right to you. When the path forward seems unclear, I believe we can best contribute by modeling the behavior we want to see in the world.”

It actually is Politics when you look at the bigger picture and see the pattern.

Don’t we all have a moral compass that we are guided by?

I certainly do, and I avoid much of the mainstream news which certainly has followed the current trend. I don’t expect any applause for that.

Since Adam chose to ‘publicly’ state his ‘personal’ choice, it’s not unreasonable to expect people to comment.

Thanks for this, @franconi - I’ve been using NetNewsWire, and it’s been ok, but not really great. I would love to have something with a better GUI, and a quick perusal of their site is compelling. For that matter, I’m also looking at their Movie Explorer (Pro) app, as I’d really like to have a media catalog app that I can work with - I’ve had a few over the years (I can’t even remember which anymore), but they’ve all been abandoned.

This is not the place for political discussion, but as an ex-logician I have to point out that “objectively” and “any value” are clearly false. (Clear counter-examples: Comments on the actions of my homeowners’ association, and seeing politicians get called on their nonsense.)

I’m sorry but that’s simply not right. Just because you interpret it as political doesn’t make it so.

If I buy an electric car it’s not a political statement - although some might incorrectly label it so - it’s just a personal choice.

If I choose to stop using a website it’s also not a political statement. I’m not trying to convince anyone else to do it - I’m simply making a choice which aligns with my moral compass.

It’s strange how the freedom of personal choice offends some people. But that’s their issue, not mine. They are free to enjoy their ‘alternative reality’.

I’ve read TidBITS via email for around 20 years, and had no idea it could also be found on Facebook or Twitter/X. I use the former with growing revulsion and have never even glanced at the latter. I applaud your principled decision.

I’m not offended despite saying my observation is nonsense, it is my opinion from life experience.

The analogy about electric cars doesn’t make a political statement unless you lectured me about why I’m wrong not to buy one.

I don’t care what forums you prefer to post on; I just find it interesting that you had to make a post about it and not expect everyone to view things the same way as yourself.

Dude…I don’t need to settle down…I already agreed that Adam can do whatever he wants…but I can also agree that politics likely played a key part in the decision…

Political/Not Political. Here’s a WSJ (gift link) discussing how Meta allows its chatbots to engage in “romantic role-play” even with children:
https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/meta-ai-chatbots-sex-a25311bf?st=WYpCPj&reflink=mobilewebshare_permalink

This is another pattern that I have come across, people ‘Cherry Picking’ stories to support their arguments.

This kind of thing could happen anywhere, as the technology evolves or (devolves in many cases). I’m sure at some point the site will either change their policies, improve their security, or shut down all together.

I stand by my earlier comments.

Well, we managed to avoid religion (just about…) probably time to leave politics aside too.

We can all agree on that TidBITS has value and that value is best found here. No matter where you stand, this site (and its members) is consistently helpful, informative and interesting.

I have been criticizing X/Twitter, Facebook, and social media in general for many years, and recent events pushed me over the edge with regard to posting TidBITS. So I suspect that this article is something of a Rorschach test, revealing as much about the reader as it does about my opinions.

So let’s not debate what is or is not “political” since no one will change their mind and it will just make everyone feel bad.

Bravo! Glad to hear you did this. X is a cesspool and Fbook has been worthless for years.

I’ve also read TidBits via email for around 20 yrs; like you, had no idea - nor cared - it was available on Facebook or Twitter/X. I’ve never used Twitter/X & have never been a very active Facebook user. The only reason I still have a Facebook account is it’s used by my community for announcements/communications. A couple years ago I “unfriended” my few FB friends, the only “friend” still active is my community. If the community ever begins an alternative communication avenue, I’ll close down my FB account.
Nothing political about it, I’ve just never found social media to have a purpose for me.

Awesome move. Vote with your $$ and your feet.

Thank you. What else need we say?

Let me add my voice to what I assume will be an avalanche of support for this move. I keep my “social media” presence to the bare minimum, using only FaceBook and only then for special-interest groups with which I cannot be in touch any other way (for example, a gardening group). I use it on my computer, in a separate browser, via a VPN. I go there specifically when I am asking for help or to respond to threads which I have started. I realise this seems like a non-social, selfish way to use it, but the alternative is to get sucked into their world and I refuse to do so.

Bravo! Every vote counts, and this is how we vote for and against those things of importance.

– Gerry

I only had a Facebook account for less than a month years ago, and never had a Twitter one (when asked why I’d facetiously say it was because I wasn’t a twit), so I don’t feel I missed anything except a lot of discord. Sounds like I am right.

Sorry, Adam, but you just lost me. What is at stake is free speech. X under Musk is a critical voice for those of us who believe PresTrump is standing for reform of our national security state censorship regime. You believe not, and that’s your privilege. But I disagree and that’s my right.

After decades of supporting and recommending you, I will do so no longer. You think you’re on the side
of the angels, but you’re not.

Goodbye,

Sounds similar to my reasoning except I haven’t tried to go a Rube Goldberg route for just a few SIGs. I just tell them I don’t do FB.

Bravo! Facebook I’ve always avoided, shunned actually, while Twitter I often found useful for up-to-date information on things like riots in Thailand or fire fires in California. But now they’re both in the same gutter, and I’m glad TidBITS has stepped completely stepped out of it.

I fully support your decision to leave X. I myself left X nearly 2 years ago. I have no regret of leaving. I cannot support a platform where hate speech, misinformation, and conspiracy theory thrive.

The real issue is not hate, but free speech. Not suppression, but engagement. Real men argue. They don’t run.

Good choice to step out of the drama and endless fray of toxic social media.

The implication being that Adam is not a “real man.”

It is also somewhat ironic given the “goodbye” of your previous post. Are you not running away as well?

I would think that “real men” act on their principles, which is what Adam appears to be doing.

Thank you, Adam, for encouraging your readers to align their actions with their values.

Thunderbird, being my e-mail client already, has a good RSS feature.

100% with you Adam. I appreciate your integrity!

You’ve done the right thing.

Yes, whether one supports Trump or not, the obvious reason here for leaving X is that his supporters – or anyone questioning their “betters” – are able to post without political censorship, and even news organizations can post stories without being banned. That is a marker of civil society, not of undermining it.

First I heard of it, too. I’ve been reading Tidbits for decades.

The old Twitter was awash with left-wing conspiracies and memes. Now, X is awash with both left-wing and right-wing conspiracies and memes, but with added and interesting community notes.

But you’re going with Bluesky, which can be just as toxic. Why not just forswear social media altogether?

I applaud your decision. I wish more organizations and people had the courage to do this.
Maarten

The tide against social media will have turned when any/all social media has been abandoned, until then it’s basically just a political statement. But like others have said, his publication his choice.

Congratulations. Let’s hope others will follow your good example.

No, he’s running. “I’m gone from forums that disagree with me. I’ll have nothing to do with them. Pristine me.”

And all his guys say, “Oh yeah, buddy!”

So I stop supporting him (which I have for decades). This is my engagement of him. “Hey Adam, be a man and live in the midst of a real politas. Don’t run.”

I’ve followed TidBITS since the old Setext delivery system… Apple got on my bad side when they forced my otherwise very good 27" iMac to stay at Monterey rather than Sonoma, now Sequoia. So I turned it into a really nice Linux machine. Since then, I’ve moved a couple of 2015-vintage laptops, MacBook Air and MacBook Pro, over to Linux, where they are quite happy. If I “left” every part of Linux that I disagreed with, well, there’d be nothing left. But I use what I want, support what I want, and ignore where necessary.

I still use iPhone/iPad/MacBook Pro M2, but have no need to ardently follow all the Mac-related news. So then I got this email newsletter telling me TidBITS will no longer be on X. OK, I’m not on X either, never have been. But the idea that the world will be more civil because you move to BlueBubble, oops, BlueSky makes me chuckle.

Oh, well.

Virtue signal received loud and clear. Duly noted.

Tim Cook donated $1 million to Trump’s inauguration expenses in January. Does Apple still align with your values by this action?

Trump announced recently that iPhones and other Apple products would be exempt from his tariffs on Chinese imports. Many in Congress say this appears to be quid pro quo for the inauguration donation. Does the action of buying Apple products still align with your values?

Thank you, thank you, Adam! Bravissimo!

Facebook made itself a boycott target with Cambridge Analytica and it’s long past time for everyone to get off that platform. (It took me almost 2 years post-CA but I couldn’t be happier that I did.) As long as people continue to use FB, it will continue to do business stealing the world’s data. Freeing oneself from Facebook is such a breath of fresh air; why breathe filth every day and open your door to welcome criminals to attack you?

X is such a mess now that no one cares what happens there either. I’m proud to hear that TidBITS—long the most trusted Mac news site—is taking this stand, stepping out of the muck and not looking back. May we all have the courage to do the same. My fellow readers, Mastodon awaits you with open arms.

Adam, please reconsider BlueSky, there are many reasons but for one, it’s based on its own protocol, rather than following the ActivityPub standard. BlueSky is a B-Corp, which is a bit better than a C-Corp, but Mastodon is a non-profit, many times better. If we’re going to change things, let’s not throw our weight toward projects that violate rather than build up standards-based distributed computing.

Bunk. Insecure people who want to dwell in an echochamber. Forget democracy. If you don’t want to listen to your neighbor, build a wall. Pathetic,

What a joke. When a guy strokes the egos and insecurities of his liberal homeboys, he shows not the slightest bit of courage.

Alright, I realize I’ve overstayed my welcome. I’ll leave you all to your self-congratulatory regimen. But sad to go…

Given that this thread has wandered pretty far from Apple-related discussion, and seems to be in danger of straying into openly hostile exchanges, I might encourage Adam to close the comments on this and let us move on to more productive discussions.

At the very least, everyone take a deep breath and go do something else for a while before hitting Send.

We got your back Adam. Good choice- well done!!

Dear Adam,

I read your recent announcement about TidBITS ceasing to post on X and Facebook, opting instead for platforms like Bluesky and Mastodon, as a protest against the harm you believe X and Facebook cause to civil society. While I respect your commitment to fostering positive online spaces, I’m concerned that this decision positions TidBITS in a highly polarized political environment, potentially alienating readers who value your technology coverage but hold diverse political views.

Your choice to abandon X, particularly citing its changes under new ownership, seems to align with a specific ideological perspective that views X as a platform amplifying harmful content. However, this overlooks the complexity of online discourse. X’s shift toward less restrictive moderation has aimed to broaden free expression, which, while controversial, allows for a wider range of voices—something TidBITS, with its history of thoughtful commentary, could engage with constructively. By moving to Bluesky, which has attracted a predominantly progressive user base fleeing X, you risk situating TidBITS within an echo chamber, undermining the balanced, community-driven dialogue you’ve championed for 35 years.

Moreover, I question the assumption that Bluesky is inherently less toxic than X. Recent analyses suggest Bluesky’s environment may not be as benign as perceived. For instance, a POLITICO report detailed a journalist’s experience of intense hostility on Bluesky, with a single post eliciting thousands of aggressive responses, including profanity and personal attacks, far exceeding typical engagement on X. This suggests that Bluesky’s user base, while smaller, can exhibit significant toxicity, especially toward dissenting views. In contrast, X’s larger, more diverse audience often dilutes such pile-ons through sheer volume and variety of interactions. Infegy’s social listening data also indicates X had 8-10% less negative sentiment toward a polarizing figure than Bluesky, hinting at a more balanced discourse on X despite its challenges.

I worry that by choosing platforms based on perceived moral superiority, TidBITS may inadvertently contribute to the very polarization you seek to mitigate. Your readers, who rely on TidBITS for clear, respectful tech insights, might benefit more from your presence on all major platforms, modeling the civil discourse you advocate. I’d love to hear your thoughts on how TidBITS can navigate this divide without taking sides in an increasingly fragmented digital landscape.

Sincerely, Ray Zoller

Adam, I know just how you feel, I gave up on ALL social media several years ago. Too much anger & too much negativity.
I read the newsletter & check in on the website & get everything I need
Thanks for all the years of Mac Info

Bravo, Adam, I’m actually really glad you are making a stand. I do believe that even small actions will spur others into action. I deleted my Twitter account awhile back and will never go back, and I’m all but done with Facebook (only reading posts from several Bald Eagle nest live cams). I’m standing with you.

Bravo – couldn’t agree more!

I find this statement from a self confessed Trump supporter hilariously ironic.

Proud to be a Tidbitter (Tidbetter?) down under! Has anybody opened a site or page for all those organisations that have done the same thing? Perhaps on Twitter and X? It would be interesting to see how long it takes for it to be deleted!

A very good point. But, on the other hand, in a ‘debate’ such as this it’s important that well respected people and organisations make it clear what they stand for. Otherwise, they risk being seen as the Democrats are in Congress - supine.

After 14 years on Twitter/X where I managed social media for my actress daughter, and decrying it for the last few years, we decided it was time to exit in protest too. She traded almost 2,200 followers for the 40 she currently has on Bluesky. It’s been worth it.

bluesky @marielsheets.bsky.social

Thank you Adam. I was done with Facebook after their political actions in the 2016 election, and left X for Bluesky after the change in ownership changed the experience of Twitter. See you on Bluesky.

I agree. I stopped following Daring Fireball when Gruber’s TDS (or Act Blue donations) kicked in resulting one of three posts being about politics. I have more than I need of that in my own country, I didn’t need more of it.

If you start mixing technology and politics, that is when you lose my attention. Since I am reading TidBITS via mailing list for 34 years, this decision doesn’t affect me, but I will wonder how biased articles might be from now on.

Adam, hooray is all I have to say.
Larry

I’m glad to hear that. I’m not a X/Twitter user for the very reason you are leaving. I just renewed my TidBITS support!

I do love the perfect lack of self-awareness here:

and then:

This particular shoe fits a lot of people and is often true, as it was here on TidBITS.

Thank you Adam. I applaud your decision, consider it principled, and support your freedom to use whatever platform you choose.

Solid move. It’s been obvious since the 2016 US election that Facebook and Twitter were weaponized, exploited, and toxic to basic human rights. They have obviously gotten much, much worse since then - and are now joined by other privately controlled social media platforms too. Bluesky is differentiated architecturally to allow choice and control by the end user - it remains to be seen if this will play out as they claim, but having the ability to easily migrate one’s own data (and by extension an entire community and all of it’s data) baked into the architecture should eliminate the kind of unchecked exploitation and disregard for human suffering that we’ve seen on the privately controlled social platforms. Those who would argue against the freedom to do what you have done by claiming it’s political are well aware of the consequences to their own agenda, and they will grumble endlessly about it, but that does not make the choice to move political - it just makes it inconvenient for them.

We have always had a policy of trying to make TidBITS as available as possible as a service to readers. Back in the day, along with Internet sites, I used to distribute TidBITS to GEnie, BIX, Delphi, CompuServe, AOL, eWorld, and AppleLink, along with various major BBS systems.

So I’m basing the addition of Bluesky partly on making TidBITS easier to read for people there, and partly because it provides a non-tech-giant alternative to X/Twitter and Facebook. Should it become problematic at scale in the future, I may reverse that decision.

Thank you for your support over the years. There was next to no engagement with TidBITS articles on X/Twitter and Facebook, especially in comparison with the vibrant community here.

However, suggesting that I’m somehow not a man because I don’t argue on social media violates my rule about no ad hominem attacks on TidBITS Talk. If you change your mind about continuing on TidBITS Talk and continue to comment about people, not the content of posts, I will delete your posts.

Since this conversation has devolved quickly to the point of non-utility, I’m closing it to future comments.